[WIP - Full] [栗pick] 涙声のギニヨル / I am your Guignol (RJ170185)


FinalCloud

Jungle Girl
Jul 27, 2014
87
8
#21
You could say that "how can some1 fap to lolis" or "how can some1 fap to traps", "how can some1 fap to futas" and the list goes on, but you know? clever people dont go into threads containing genres they dont like, shocking right?
I would say how can someone fap to lolis, how can someone fap to traps, how can someone fap to scat and how can someone fap to traps if I am honest =D (but as you say to each their own). Futa I can understand, it is basically like lesbian strapon stuff, fapping to that is pretty common.

What am I doing in this thread? Saw a new game was getting translated, had a look at the thread. Saw some amusing discussion going on about the "soul crushing" ntr, and thought I would say something too. I actually am genuinely curious to know how and why the people that are into NTR like it. The response I am hoping for when I say is an explanation of why they like it, not "shaddap people can like what they want" I know people can like what they want, and it is fair enough, that is what internet porn is for. If I had been given an actual point of view on why someone likes NTR, maybe I would understand where they are coming from a bit better.
 

PabloC

Jungle Girl
Dec 25, 2016
45
18
#22
"How can you fap to soul-crushing NTR?" Hmm... I have no idea. ^^
When NTR (or even good old rape) is treated 100% seriously and happens to characters that I like, most of the time it's far too sad and dramatic to be a fap material for me. And this game is exactly like this. But that's not a bad thing at all. I'm just treating it as a serious, story-oriented RPG that just happens to use tons of sex as drama material. And it does a pretty damn good job as such.
Fap material is great and all, but I really like when eroge also offers something more - like fun gameplay mechanics or interesting storyline (even if it makes the ero too serious to be fappable). Yes, I like playing porn games for the plot once in a while. XD

Also, while I do like the NTR genre, I'm kinda doing it wrong to begin with - theoretically it's supposed to make you feel jealousy and such, not sadistic enjoyment from seeing main characters suffering... :p
 

denymeplz

Jungle Girl
Jul 17, 2017
121
18
#23
The response I am hoping for when I say is an explanation of why they like it.
Personally what i like from NTR games is that most of the time girls start falling slowly and get more bitchy everytime to the point they are complete sluts (since corruption is a common genre used with NTR), same reason why i like corruption games even if they arent NTR, corruption and NTR are genres that a lot of times go together, and since its just fiction, i dont mind the NTR part if the girl likes it more and more each time, thats just me anyways, i hope this works for you XD
 

boobybot

Demon Girl Master
Nov 21, 2014
227
28
#24
fuck yes! though this game is as sad as fuk
 

FinalCloud

Jungle Girl
Jul 27, 2014
87
8
#25
"How can you fap to soul-crushing NTR?" Hmm... I have no idea. ^^
When NTR (or even good old rape) is treated 100% seriously and happens to characters that I like, most of the time it's far too sad and dramatic to be a fap material for me. And this game is exactly like this. But that's not a bad thing at all. I'm just treating it as a serious, story-oriented RPG that just happens to use tons of sex as drama material. And it does a pretty damn good job as such.
Fap material is great and all, but I really like when eroge also offers something more - like fun gameplay mechanics or interesting storyline (even if it makes the ero too serious to be fappable). Yes, I like playing porn games for the plot once in a while. XD

Also, while I do like the NTR genre, I'm kinda doing it wrong to begin with - theoretically it's supposed to make you feel jealousy and such, not sadistic enjoyment from seeing main characters suffering... :p
I agree with this, it is good for eroge to have plot sometimes. But personally if I want eroge with a plot I would steer clear of RPGM type games, and NTR (as honestly if I care about the characters why on earth do I want to watch them getting r$ped?, for me it doesnt really add sadness or drama, it just pisses me off). For eroge with plot I play visual novels (not nukige ones).


denymeplz
Personally what i like from NTR games is that most of the time girls start falling slowly and get more bitchy everytime to the point they are complete sluts (since corruption is a common genre used with NTR), same reason why i like corruption games even if they arent NTR, corruption and NTR are genres that a lot of times go together, and since its just fiction, i dont mind the NTR part if the girl likes it more and more each time, thats just me anyways, i hope this works for you XD
I do enjoy corruption games, my favorite game is the first one I played (which got me into hentai RPGM games in the first place) which is Arms Devicer. I can also put up with NTR if it is not serious and you dont have to see it all the time (e.g. last few OneOneOne games, altho they need to come up with a new game format, last 3 have been the same but with different CGs pretty much). But NTR, if it is in something I enjoy, where I care about the characters, nooo, the dudes that are into that must be masochists =P.

This also relates to another thing I have seen NTR fans say. I see people say that for a game to be NTR, it has to have a male protagonist, and the male protagonist has to be the one getting NTRd, not sure how true this is. Dno about u guys but if I play as a male protagonist in an RPG, I will roleplay (subconciously) the male MC, so role play a guy getting NTR'd. Not fun (imo) -.-. This is actually why I AVOID any h-games with a male MC (as you are basically either A. A guy getting NTR'd or B. Some total prick going around r$ping people). Screw those roleplay options -.-

But thanks for giving me your view, I mean it shows it is not so far from what I like, I just need the NTR element to be missing or minor/humorous (which in truth, alot of the time, the NTR in these hentai games is just funny). I have actually played Misuki (something like that) which was NTR, but it didnt force the NTR in your face all the time, and it felt more like it was just corruption.
 

DawnCry

Demon Girl Master
Sep 18, 2016
238
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#26
Thanks for everyone that answered, it seems that this one isn't a game made for me, I can deal with a lot of things but drama and the NTR on godtier is quite a lot, I'm one of those that like to have avoidable NTR in a game and doesn't have a problem to fall into it if it is a result of my actions or inaction.
 
Jan 2, 2018
31
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#27
Thanks for everyone that answered, it seems that this one isn't a game made for me, I can deal with a lot of things but drama and the NTR on godtier is quite a lot, I'm one of those that like to have avoidable NTR in a game and doesn't have a problem to fall into it if it is a result of my actions or inaction.
Same. I enjoy games where the NTR can be avoided. Even if the main focus of the game is NTR, I'd prefer if there is an optional "good" ending, where the MC doesn't get totally screwed over or he ends up with the girl, even if it wasn't happy stuff from beginning to end.
I haven't played this game, but I get the feeling that the good ending I'm looking for doesn't exist here...
 

maddogrd

Demon Girl Master
Jul 2, 2012
220
18
#28
Same. I enjoy games where the NTR can be avoided. Even if the main focus of the game is NTR, I'd prefer if there is an optional "good" ending, where the MC doesn't get totally screwed over or he ends up with the girl, even if it wasn't happy stuff from beginning to end.
I haven't played this game, but I get the feeling that the good ending I'm looking for doesn't exist here...
The Ntr can be avoided for the heroine.
 

Mikufanboy

Tentacle Monster
Sep 20, 2012
358
28
#29
Indeed, this title is for hardcore NTR fans mostly. People that played heavy visual novels as their first bout of experience might also be able to withstand the emotional roller coaster, but for those that thoroughly enjoyed happy-go-lucky love vanilla stuff as their first times, it's unlikely you'll have developed a taste for extreme bitterness and mind numbing depression. It's weird how that works. That being said, you should try it out anyway if you want to broaden your horizons a bit, even people full of malice that enjoys this level of sadism can enjoy some vanilla titles like To Heart or Muv Luv, I'm sure the same can be said for the other side of things. You just need to prepare yourself mentally, keep an open mind, and maybe a tissue box for tears instead of sperm this time. It also doesn't help that some of the best titles to introduce people to the NTR genre haven't been translated yet like triangle blue.
 
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FinalCloud

Jungle Girl
Jul 27, 2014
87
8
#30
Indeed, this title is for hardcore NTR fans mostly. People that played heavy visual novels as their first bout of experience might also be able to withstand the emotional roller coaster, but for those that thoroughly enjoyed happy-go-lucky love vanilla stuff as their first times, it's unlikely you'll have developed a taste for extreme bitterness and mind numbing depression. It's weird how that works. That being said, you should try it out anyway if you want to broaden your horizons a bit, even people full of malice that enjoys this level of sadism can enjoy some vanilla titles like To Heart or Muv Luv, I'm sure the same can be said for the other side of things. You just need to prepare yourself mentally, keep an open mind, and maybe a tissue box for tears instead of sperm this time. It also doesn't help that some of the best titles to introduce people to the NTR genre haven't been translated yet like triangle blue.
Haha, you have to be seriously screwed up to be able to enjoy heart-renching NTR and nothing else. As I said, NTR is for masochists -.-.
 

kudostoyou

Jungle Girl
Jun 30, 2016
91
8
#31
Haha, you have to be seriously screwed up to be able to enjoy heart-renching NTR and nothing else. As I said, NTR is for masochists -.-.
if you're here just to talk shit on people who fap to NTR then you're in the wrong thread, go back to 4chan
 

DawnCry

Demon Girl Master
Sep 18, 2016
238
18
#32
Haha, you have to be seriously screwed up to be able to enjoy heart-renching NTR and nothing else. As I said, NTR is for masochists -.-.
I haven't seen yet any fetish that other people wouldn't find it weird if they don't have it.

Personally I like good storylines and events in adult games and the fetishes are a bit secondary for me, but of course heavy stories with a lot of drama I just can't play them, I can't see some drama movies too, not too fond of sadness and heavy feelings.

But what I mean to say is that people are too complex to understand, why do we like x or y? who knows. In fantasy I will respect all fetishes (which doesn't mean that if it's too heavy for me I would still play it, gonna evade on that), however in reality there are some fetishes that should be banned and with reason...
 

FinalCloud

Jungle Girl
Jul 27, 2014
87
8
#33
if you're here just to talk shit on people who fap to NTR then you're in the wrong thread, go back to 4chan
How was I talking shit about people that like NTR? I was just saying that I think NTR is for masochists (that is not talking shit., Making yourself feel that pain by playing heavy NTR and fapping too it actually is pretty much the definition of a masochist, even if the pain is emotional not physical), lighten up man, maybe you have been playing too much NTR (JOKE)

DawnCry Yea I know, I do respect all fetishes, providing porn that covers all fetishes is basically what this stuff is for, and I am happy to debate any fetish. When it comes to fetishes I do not like, I like to discus it with the people that do like it, not be so scared of them raging at me for daring to question the fetish that I dont mention it.
 

Seikatsu

Jungle Girl
Jul 11, 2014
55
8
#34
How was I talking shit about people that like NTR? I was just saying that I think NTR is for masochists (that is not talking shit., Making yourself feel that pain by playing heavy NTR and fapping too it actually is pretty much the definition of a masochist, even if the pain is emotional not physical), lighten up man, maybe you have been playing too much NTR (JOKE)
i dont think ntr is just for masochis for i enjoy a girl bein corrupted n mc suffer.... wat do you call it? Sadist

Just like THP can you blame the mc bein useless for living a life bein laid back of course not but i do like how he suffer n Lso how he got he's revenge xD
 
Oct 10, 2016
1
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#35
i dont think ntr is just for masochis for i enjoy a girl bein corrupted n mc suffer.... wat do you call it? Sadist
True that. As for me, I'm a sadistic fucked up arsehole, so corruption, shame, suffering, mindbreak and the like.... Me Gusta.
 
Oct 20, 2015
522
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#36
How was I talking shit about people that like NTR? I was just saying that I think NTR is for masochists (that is not talking shit., Making yourself feel that pain by playing heavy NTR and fapping too it actually is pretty much the definition of a masochist, even if the pain is emotional not physical), lighten up man, maybe you have been playing too much NTR (JOKE)

DawnCry Yea I know, I do respect all fetishes, providing porn that covers all fetishes is basically what this stuff is for, and I am happy to debate any fetish. When it comes to fetishes I do not like, I like to discus it with the people that do like it, not be so scared of them raging at me for daring to question the fetish that I dont mention it.
Nahh, NTR definedtly also cathers to sadists, i mean who else enjoys seeing the suffering the MC goes through? personally i don't like ntr where the MC likes it, that is why i don't like cuckold too, in fact it has almost ruined game sfor me when the mc discovers the cheating only to fap, i get getting hard since our penises don't really care about details xD, but there is a difference between getting hard no matter what you feel/think and another to start fapping like crazy.......that is actually why i liked ntrpg 2 more than the first one sinc ein 2 the MC clearly suffered, couldn't stop it and tries (and even sort of manages) to win the girl back.

These games when done well (like this and nanaho) can be enjoyed by both groups: the ones that emphatize strongly with the victims and those who done........if anything the second group are the scary ones xD
 

wasd123333

Jungle Girl
Sep 19, 2013
137
28
#37
I don't think so. I haven't played it yet, but if it's as good as this one I might consider translating it as well. That depends on far too many things to promise anything though, so don't hold your breath.
Hmm okay, well either way I'm sure me and many others are looking forward to your translation. This circle's games are definitely one of the most legendary and historic NTR games to ever exist in the world. It's so fucking well done I'm surprised no one took the honor to translate it. I hope you will enjoy it as well and fast as we are patiently waiting!
 

Cupio

Demon Girl Master
Mar 26, 2012
281
28
#38
Haha, you have to be seriously screwed up to be able to enjoy heart-renching NTR and nothing else. As I said, NTR is for masochists -.-.
Not really, most NTR fans have gotten used to and is desensitized to a lot of it, they not gonna go anal over little stuff like NTR ragers do, especially since NTR logic tend to be so silly that its hard to take them seriously anyways. In fact, I laugh at most NTR but still have no problems getting hard to the cuckolding. More serious and relatively realistic stories like Thug Hero Party, and presumably this, can still be heart-wrenching but the appeal of NTR is not dependent things being on that level, at least not for most NTR fans. Like I said, as much of an NTR fan as I am, I get erotically turned off if the NTR is too gut-wrenching, though I can still enjoy it for the story. But some people do get turned on by that so good for them, I don't think it could matter less to them that YOU get turned off by it.

Its not that I can only get turned on NTR and nothing else, its that I get turned off by wish-fulfillment and get disgusted by shameless, self-centered, hypocritical harem.

Anyways, thanks for the KonoSora ReTranslation patch PabloC, just realized that it was you. Heh.
 
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Oct 20, 2015
522
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#40
"How can you fap to soul-crushing NTR?" Hmm... I have no idea. ^^
When NTR (or even good old rape) is treated 100% seriously and happens to characters that I like, most of the time it's far too sad and dramatic to be a fap material for me. And this game is exactly like this. But that's not a bad thing at all. I'm just treating it as a serious, story-oriented RPG that just happens to use tons of sex as drama material. And it does a pretty damn good job as such.
Fap material is great and all, but I really like when eroge also offers something more - like fun gameplay mechanics or interesting storyline (even if it makes the ero too serious to be fappable). Yes, I like playing porn games for the plot once in a while. XD

Also, while I do like the NTR genre, I'm kinda doing it wrong to begin with - theoretically it's supposed to make you feel jealousy and such, not sadistic enjoyment from seeing main characters suffering... :p

You are not alone in that, i too enjoy it for the sadistic enjoyment!!! And while i like the silly hentai plot from time to time it does get tiresome unless we play something heavy like this.

Honestly what i dislike is cuckold and netorase, basically when the guy allows it/likes it, no suffering there.............